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Q: ...Cuban
Davidoff N'...these cigars are authentic?
Q:Cohiba
Lancero's and am wondering if they are FAKE
Q:Bolivar
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Q: I
have received a box of Cuban Davidoff N'1 as a gift. How
can I be sure that these cigars are authentic? Thank you.
(Johnny K., London. 11/97)
A:You
must give us more details about this box : factory and date
code, the stamp of Cubatobaco, etc. If any of these elements
isn't concurrent, we can conclude that it is not authentic.
For example, if the logo of Habanos S.A. is on the box, you
can be sure that it is counterfeited, because Habanos S.A.
didn't exist when the last Davidoff NĄ1 boxes were made; it
was still Cubatobaco back then.
There are very well made imitations. Even when all the above
elements seem to be correct, it's not sufficient to proof
that the box is authentic. The ultimate proof will be the
cigars themselves, the smell, the consistence, the weight,
the finish, the old ring -( old rings do not have the same
shiny white color, they are a little bit fade).
If you need an official certificate, we recommend that you
visit personally one of Davidoff's boutiques or contact
Christies in London.
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Q:
I
bought some Cohiba Lancero's and am
wondering if they are FAKE. If you have any defining info
let me know. THANX. (Erik,
Canada 02/98)
A:
First,
the cigars must be in a wooden varnished box with the
Habanos sticker on the side. Engraved on the bottom there
must be Habanos logo + the words "HECHO EN CUBA"
and "Totalmente a mano" in italics. You must also
find the box date code and factory name (example: EL NNSA).
The wooden box is wrapped in a carton with two stickers: one
for "Republica de Cuba" another for "Cohiba
Lanceros".
The
ring of each cigar is made of three colors: The black part
measures 4.5 mm with square white dots (not round dots) and
the yellowish part measures 9 mm. On this part is written in
italics " La Habana, Cuba". The dimensions
mentioned above are the dimensions of the bands usually used
for the Lanceros at El Laguito Factory.
Check the cigar's edge, the lanceros end at the top with a
special external node, this is another characteristic of the
Lanceros. The ultimate test is the Cuban smell, then the
" TASTE ", and you are the one who can tell.
We need more information about the box code you have, the
place where the cigars were purchased and of course the
price to answer your question with more detail.
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Q:
I
was impressed with your website while I
was surfing gathering information regarding Cuban cigar
counterfeits. I came across some Bolivar Belicosos through a
supposedly "reputable" dealer and assumed by the
size it was a Belicosos Finos.
Using my text book references, and through fellow
aficionados, the Bolivar seemed genuinely Cuban. The scent
prior to smoking displayed the unique stronger odor compared
to most premium Dominican brands. When smoking, again the
aroma was more pungent, and of course the taste was just as
expected for Cubans.
When I replied to the shop owner with my more than satisfied
opinion towards the Bolivar Belicosos, I was told that they
also (the shop) had other Bolivar Belicosos which measured
approxiately one inch longer than the one I tried. Assuming
the Belicosos I tried was indeed the Belicosos Finos, I
researched all I could find and could not find any other
Belicosos that Bolivar produces. Only the Belicosos Finos.
I immediately became sceptical even though I was reassured
that this was a new item to the Bolivar inventory. Are
manufacturers able to produce different sizes and not have
them shown in reference books until the publishing is up to
date? Or are these "Belicosos" indeed NOT genuine
Cuban Bolivars? If your club has any information concerning
these Bolivars I would appreciate finding out.
I am obsessed with any knowledge regarding genuine authentic
Cuban Manufactured cigars. Being that there is so much
negative information towards Cuban cigar counterfeiting, I
was hoping my experience would have been true and honest.
Please share any information that you are aware of and I
would be deeply grateful. Thank you for your time and
dedication to preserving these precious jewels for true
cigar connoisseurs to enjoy the whole purpose behind genuine
Cuban cigar smoking.
(Nicholas, Hawai 03/98)
A:Many
details in your mail reveal that you have a fine
connoisseur's palate. Congratulations.
Concerning
the Bolivar Belicosos Finos: As you know there is ONE
Belicosos Finos from Bolivar, and there are TWO
presentations. The first comes in SBN boxes (Semi Boite
Nature) and the second is conditioned in a 25 cigars
Cabinet. Both
have the same size (L = 14cm, G = 2.6cm). The cigars in the
SBN have a the Bolivar ring, which is not the case of the
Belicosos in Cabinets ( SLB 1/40).
Theatrically, both Belicosos must have the same taste, but
we know that the cigars of the Cabinet undergo a higher
quality control and are matured in excellent conditions. To
date, we confirm that Bolivar does not have any other
Belicosos or Torpedo.
The second cigar (assuming the first one is truly a
Belicosos Finos) you are talking about might be:
1- A new Cuban Torpedo, but not a Bolivar. In fact, the
Cubans have launched many new shapes (Churchills, Torpedos,
Robustos) hand-rolled in Cuba, not referenced as a new
brand, without rings, and presented in common " Bundle
" of 50 cigars with no labels, or in small carton cases
of 5 cigars. These cigars have been launched at low prices
compared to other famous Cubans. The purpose of this
maneuver is to test the market and to offer a wider range of
equivalent shapes at a better price.
2- Not a Cuban cigar, or a Fake Cuban.
To conclude, if the merchant is presenting a torpedo shape
-(not a Belicoso shape)- as a Bolivar, we can say that the
cigars presented are not BOLIVAR.
Replying to your obsession with any knowledge regarding
genuine authentic Cuban, we inform you that:
- There are many counterfeits of Cuban cigars. The Habanos
logo and the Cuban Republic warranty are no longer enough to
tell if the box is genuine. The best way to recognize a
genuine Cuban puros is the feel, the touch, the smell and
the taste. We are confident in your expertise in all this.
- Many " fake makers " take advantage of the
marketing for a new brand or a special event to launch some
professionally counterfeited cigars (as it was for the
Cohiba Cristals. These
counterfeited "Cohiba Esplendidos", made in
Nicaragua and presented in boxes with a glassy top, have
been sold in the market - even at la Havana -as special
boxes launched for the 30th Cohiba anniversary).
- For more information about counterfeiting, check our
report : "Fake or not fake ".
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